/nsfw/ - Not Safe For Work

Just for some awareness on rules - nsfw furry or anime/ecchi content goes here in /nsfw/. For logical separation purposes, the equivalent to the 4ch trash /sdg/ general should be it's own thread under the /nsfw/ board. Happy posting. Just remember, no realistic looking photographs.

= REQUEST ANCHOR =

This post now serves as a request anchor. Quote this post with your request, and have someone gen it.

No reply functionality yet? Bummer.
Anyway, nice frieren gen

>>8
Just click on the post ID number to reply.

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>>9
When the reply to thread option is minimised, it'll appear at the top and bottom of the thread.

>>9
I'm just retarded and clicked on No. instead.

>>11
Everyone has that day, no worries, have a good one.

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your squirrel job, kind sirs

>>13
Cute. Kinda wanna see her with massive buckteeth

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reposts desu

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Apparently it was the 30th anniversary of Darkstalkers the other day, so have a Felicia. Tell those fuckers at Capcom to make a new game.

>>17
nice Felicia

someone get us some Morrigan STAT

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>>18
I got you man, have a storyboard

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One more post, testing something.

>>19
Hot

benin in bagina :DDD

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jordach, when cascade 3.6b comes out and is fully baked, ban all pony gens on this board

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Will cascade be able to do something like pic related (holding a sword while doing some sort of stance) with pure prompt? I tried my hardest to do something like this with pony but I just couldn't (prompt only, no controlnet or extreme inpaint)

>>24
my guess is that 1b maybe, but will require some inpaint
3.6b likely yeap, with no problem at all

>>25
Fun tip Cascade/Reso both support UnCLIP embeddings from within ComfyUI, so you can supply an image to teach it what the image should look like compiositionally. Can be a bit fiddly to get working.

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>>25
Cool, what about guns, musical instruments or vehicles on the background? in fact, what kind of backgrounds could we expect from the 3.6b model?, sorry if the images aren't even /e/ but I want to use them as reference

>>28
>guns
mmmmm i think that one will be a hard one cuz of dataset, the poorly captioned dataset that is coming from gelbooru for this finetune won't help at all for things like these buuuut it also depends if the model already knows guns or not, if yes then maaaybe it could be fine 
>musical instruments
already recognized by the base cascade so it could be fine
>vehicles
also recognized but don't expect it to be able to understand a specific type, brand or series of vehicles due to gelbooru shenaningans again 
>backgrounds
current 1b it's trying it's best to do backgrounds but judging from the prototypes baked weeks ago, the 1b will do simple backgrounds with a chance of it coming kinda uncanny and the 3.6b will be able to do very good backgrounds and interesting compositions most of the time

>>29
There's no need to be in fear of me striking out for insults towards Reso. It's all feedback on the model in one form or another, which is more valuable than gold. I'm currently experimenting with refining/hi-res fixing outputs to look cleaner. Seems to work. Inpainting will be a lot more difficult on the other hand.
>>20
Do note that loli, shota etc can be posted. Please do keep those strictly to the /cdg/ thread just for easier clean up. (More so for thread house rules to keep things semi-close to the original 4chan board rules)
I'm not going to move/remove it - just letting you know that there's a dedicated almost no holds barred thread for less vanilla topics.

>>30
hello j
>There's no need to be in fear of me striking out for insults towards Reso. 
nah i'm being completely honest with you. if i think that the model is pure garbage i will, but not the case, i mean it hasn't even finished baking, and 1b has shown us that it's cleaning itself slowly. now imagine a finished 3.6b. to judge an unfinished model is the most retarded thing ever
it's just that this first revision of reso will be greatly limited due to shitty gelbooru's tag retardation. it will get as better as naiv3 if we're talking about prompt comprehension. which will make the model very stiff about boorus tags, so basically e6 tags will do a huge lifting here.
if you manage to get rid of those tags for the next revision of reso and do the right thing, it can easily become the best local model available for anime and basically anything non-realism related

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>>29
I see, I see, what I mostly expect it to do is to provide a good base gen on average (just like NAI does) so I can just inpaint the little details

>vehicles
>also recognized but don't expect it to be able to understand a specific type, brand or series of vehicles due to gelbooru shenaningans again 
Sure, I don't expect to gen anything specific but something that more or less looks like it, you know, something that more or less looks like a truck, a tank, or a boat, will it be possible?

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>>24
I'm a promplet and didn't put much effort in so sorry for low quality image, but it kind of understands right now? takes a little gatcha to get sword+fighting stance together, but using an artist or character that knows those better would probably help. I might've gotten better results prompting katana or something instead of sword, I don't know

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>>31
More of a procedural thing - I have no interest in censoring users of their personal opinions. I like the old imageboard culture and I intend to keep it that way.
>>32
Yep, most of the model's design was to essentially work like older 1.5 models where the focus was on the artistic creation part rather than gambling slop part. Yeah you can gen forever and goon, but where's the reward in that?

And furthermore - a simple hi-res fix at 32x compression easily covers up most of the issues. Ignore the cock lamp, I'm not going back for that.

>>34
>the cock lamp
my sides, a masterpiece

>>32
>something that more or less looks like a truck, a tank, or a boat, will it be possible?
yeah pretty much, just to tell you, this finetune is not using a brazillion times the base LR of the model so it's not being incredibly deep fried (ahem)

>>36
there's some vehicle knowledge from boorus anyway

>>30
Well it's your board, and your rules, but I have to say it seems foolish to divide a thread like this into multiple, separate threads. Especially when post volume is so low. Also, one of the major complaints about the /h/ thread was overpolicing of otherwise harmless loli/straight shota content.

>>38
I won't particularily care if cunny, ss or yaoi gets posted here. But if users begin requesting separation, or at least self organised house rules, Not really a set of formal rules, more of guidelines to avoid posting something in the wrong thread.

>>37
yes, but gelbooru images are very often tagged with so little effort, that is kinda hard to find a pic that has more than 10 tags (which 25% of those tags in the pic are false positives) so this ends up poisoning the well

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>>33
>but it kind of understands right now? takes a little gatcha to get sword+fighting stance together, but using an artist or character that knows those better would probably help. I might've gotten better results prompting katana or something instead of sword
Well, yeah, that's indeed a girl holding a sword while doing a fighting stance.There's some tags specific for that kind of poses like "ready to draw" and "battoujutsu stance", hopefully the full model can recognize and do them

>>34
>>36
Good to know, I'll patiently await for it and pray for your success

I'll stop posting now, thanks for all the info

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reso e7

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found my old base cascade gens (i had no idea what i'm doing)
inpainted her faec and nipples with nai in the other one

>>43
neat, kind of reminds me of anime kigurumis

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>>89

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>>90

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>>91
done

>>5
requesting muscular or toned females, any theme/composition/style

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test

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test 2

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okay I need to wait I guess otherwise it uploads broken files, no indicator though
and it's 4 not 5 files

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kek was the cdn just ded or did it auto link the broken images with the working ones?

>>102
Californian based DC shat the bed with regards to the Reso models last night, services might be funky - not sure about the board, it's located in SEA.

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you can create anything with AI, black serafuku, white serafuku, simply enter serafuku
if you fail to enter serafuku, a penalty will be applied to your social credit score

test

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can't stop won't stop

>>105
S E R A F U K U
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U

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eggplant

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Behold.

>>111
Cool website. Those should be these:
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>>107
finally autoupdate and setting working
also dropping files
we're back

>>111
Booba

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can't stop won't stop

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>>120

multiviews are hard, but no doubt the most rewarding on gens.

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booba

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a comparison. the results out of the wdv aren't quite right, dunno if it needs negatives to remove "fisting"

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Damn, a 3 day for that fried kuro? Brutal

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>>153
Was a fairly aged up Kuro too. Double anyone could even think it's a loli if not for recognizable character design.
I remember this Misaka gen. Nice one.

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>doesn't look like I forgot anything
>OKAY, ready to go, Fern!

>>153
>3 day for that fried kuro? Brutal
Getting 3day for that Kuro post is straight up hilarious. Like she literally has mature hips and tits there. 
Yeah claiming that troon jannies stopped being retarded was a bit premature.

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Ankha is not a furry, just a catgirl with yellow skin.

>>157
seems they got even weirder.
I got a 1d for telling someone spamming /aco/ to fuck off, like 16 hours after the fact.
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>>160
Mods killed the whole thread. Man what a shithole it's become.

Guess I'll try and keep this place somewhat alive for 3 days, see if it gets going.

>>162
It should pick up once people realise that I was telling the truth about building a better place without retarded fuckhead mods.

>>162
I think you might be misunderstanding something. The two threads mods killed were "local" and "nai" split troll threads. I don't see anything happening to the normal /hdg/, it's still up.

>>165
I meant the drop in activity. A single post in 45 minutes.

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>>166
Yeah well it's dead indeed. RIP

Open question, why do you post your gens on anonymous message boards? Instead of (or in addition to) all the other places.

>>169
I think it's the feedback. I need criticism to improve, but on R34 you only get some cringe roleplay comments. On Civit and Pixiv you get emojis, and the culture is too hugbox-y. No one there shits on images, even ones that deserve it.

>>169
I don't care that much about views and nosebleed elephants on pixiv or twitter, don't care about views. 
Posting on anonymous message boards was the most fun to me when the threads were good. Now I do post on pixiv, but it feels hollow.

>>169
I don't like interacting with people, but also, I like sharing stuff for other people to enjoy. Imageboards are a happy medium.

>>177
Is this not more interactive than just dropping an image on Pixiv and moving on? Guess the anonymity helps a bit.

>>174
>when the threads were good
I wonder what changed. Feels like we talk less about posted gens, not just post fewer of them.

>>169
I post occasionally to pixiv and sparsely to twitter.
but posting to an imageboard is a low pressure way to reflect on and find mistakes/errors that weren't as obvious prior(since it's now "no longer in your hands" compared to staring at it for half an hour in-process). Also doesn't require censoring like pixiv does.
And like the other anon said, it's just significantly higher quality interaction if you get it. You can also generally pose a question/whatever alongside it should you need to and get a response more often than not.

>>179
>Is this not more interactive than just dropping an image on Pixiv and moving on?
It can be. On here (and other imageboards), it's very easy to to just drop images and leave. Since uploads aren't tied to an identity, I don't have to manage any sort of persona, nor worry about mistakes in images, or engagement.

Weird that treech also prunes metadata, keeping them in would be really convenient for an AI board. Or at least making the catbox extension work.

>>184
There is a setting for the board, lemme take a look.

Alright, it shouldn't delete metadata now.

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test

>>186
It works, thanks!

>>189
No worries. -J

>>192
is this NAI?

>>195
my bet is on cascade

>>195
it is NAI. the metadata is available as well.

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goofs

>>197
the default ai generated no artist look fooled me

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global mod had a meltdown on /e/ of all places.
strange times.
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>>251
I got banned for my Chloe post, but that was an obvious loli so whatever I guess. Other bans/removals were pretty ridiculous though. 
It's especially grating considering there's a loli thread on /e/ staying for days. It's only ai threads that have those faggot snitches.

>>252
I just find it weird that it was, in fact, a global mod doing it(that isn't the wording for report options on /e/) and that it was, similarly, a global ban. This shit is normally localized to board.

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Experimenting with advanced Forge Couple prompting plus the cutaway tag and you can get some really nice composite images. The UI is also pretty intuitive, I like it a lot.

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>>269
This board doesn't strip image metadata, so catbox isn't a hard requirement here.

>>270
my gens are stripped of metadata due to editing. Thanks for the headups though, just figured I would drop it here since I posted it on another board also.

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>Payload Too Large
whew
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>>275
>>276
10/10 Very nice. Are you the "reweik anon"? (in quotations because >9000 anons use reweik now but you know who I'm talking about)

>>275
Metadata sir?

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>>277
thanks and yeah, I am

>>278
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>>279
Happy to see you posting here.

Anyone doordash a Sarah?

>>282
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>>298
How'd you get the relatively normal text bubbles? It's almost good enough to pass for typesetting but the second image makes me think it's AI. What's the trick?

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>>299
text bubbles are from dall-e 3 and flux, they're pretty decent at it
I prompted speech/thought ones together with the images but I've also prompted all kinds of bubbles like that on their own with or without text just fine in the past. yeah it's an extremely lazy way to do it but it's fun
I then edited and upscaled the images with pony, at higher resolutions it wont mangle the text, but i guess that depends on how you do it. If I upscale image 2x and the text/bubble gets fucked up I just manually resize original image and overlay it on top of the upscaled one, blend in the non fucked up parts I want from the original and then inpaint over that with higher resolution
>the second image makes me think it's AI
if you meant the double chibi image, those are just raw ass flux gens. rest of the images have bunch of usual ai fuckery anyway

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>>301
Okay, that makes sense. I knew Dall-e and Flux could do text pretty well but I didn't think they could do anything that lewd. How's the times on Flux anyhow? Any chance an 8gig VRAMlet could run the model locally?

>>302
the lewd bits are inpainted with pony but Flux can do lewd to some degree, it'll give you butts, breasts and nudity but it can't draw pussies and mangles the nipples, doesn't know sex or what a phallic object is
>How's the times on Flux anyhow? Any chance an 8gig VRAMlet could run the model locally?
I'm using huggingspace so I wouldn't know about the times, but I think people with 8gb can run it
https://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-schnell
feel free to use that to give it a spin, it usually won't give you any more than what you prompt so gotta be descriptive

schnell only takes 4 steps, it's fast but image quality is much lower among other downsides that I might not even fully be aware of and I think you should be able to run it for sure but apparently you can run dev with 8gb in nf4
https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forge/discussions/981
dev is the better and slower one

I think most people run it on comfy but idk anything about that, all the optimizations and stuff seem to be a work in progress on Forge, so I'm just waiting to see how it goes. You'll might get more help and information asking other more knowledgeable people
Flux is fun to screw around with or create some inpainting material but the hentai side isn't quite there (yet?) but I've seen plenty of nice anime loras posted on 4chan for sfw

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what breathing technique will bring shinobu back into the story

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>>308
sick

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Take me out from pony hell please

>>311
reminds me of that first cascade kagami image, it's come a long way
..if that's cascade

>>312
surely there are things you can do on it that you would enjoy but haven't discovered yet, don't you think so?

>>313
it is cascade. if e15 ends up being proficient at hands and such, it may actually be pretty decent.

my opinion is the prototype 3.6b and current 1b both have the same sorts of placement artifacts, which may be under-training, or in the worst case, an architectural issue. if the issue is in the architecture, it's gonna need a cluster of 100 H100s to remedy.

1b may or may not have learned everything it could have if caption shuffling is the key ingredient to getting characters and clothing.

>>314
A design goal of my models is that one should always personalise it with LoRAs or further finetuning even if it's really close. I'm much happier cooking models that handle the 99% of a booru and leaving the 1% for personal taste.

Personal taste matters.

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screwing around with new arti
seems pretty schizo but i'm having fun

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>>144
I'm like a month late but these are wonderful, which model did you use for them? also lol at fern with fern, it's cute

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>>321
Nice.
>>322
Tall and skinny... one love...

>>323
>I'm like a month late
No worries, I'm still here. Everything besides Kuro (Kuro is reweik v11) is trifusion. For me it's the Fern model, kek, she's just too cute there.
https://huggingface.co/realding/trifusion_v10Enhanced/tree/main
Not sure if you'll bother using it, it's kinda weird, but here are some tips in case you are brave:
1. Use Automatic CFG with turbo turned on (implemented in reforge and exists as a custom node for comfy), it's practically a must for this model
2. Most of my gens (from those you linked all except t10, t13, t31) are i2i from black rectangle to get darker images
3. Example base resolution gen: https://files.catbox.moe/s4645j.png
The model knows Fern, for Ubel I used this lora (it takes animagine loras): https://civitai.com/models/282420?modelVersionId=317904

>>326
thanks a lot for the links and the explanation, I've been meaning to properly give comfy a try or get reforge separately to check out the new stuff, so I'll give it a shot whenever I get to it, I'm interested
>black rectangle to get darker images
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>>326
cool model
i figured out comfy more or less but not a fan. i think the automatic CFG thing is kinda different on it too, i was mostly curious about the texture but i'm guessing it's mostly from that extension/node, idk
ended up going back to good ol forge lol. i see what you mean by automatic CFG being a must since the model seems to be kinda fried but it was fun to screw around around with it regardless
i like the way it hallucinates, reminds me of 1.5 in both good and bad ways although i haven't used animagine that much so maybe that's where most of it was coming from

>>331
Nice. Love the Ubel one, although she might need at least a small hint of the other leg peeking through somewhere to not look one-legged.
If you want to test a less fried model with similar background capabilities, the secret of trifusion-enhanced is mainly in that it's a merge of trifusion with two loras:
https://civitai.com/models/124347/xlmoreart-full-xlreal-enhancer at 0.65 clip and unet strength
https://civitai.com/models/376395/worldly-xl-or-anime-scenery-lora at 0.5 clip and unet strength
So you can merge them or just use at runtime with either ponymagine (I might be schizo but I think it has slightly more stable anatomy than animagine) or animagine which both aren't fried. You will slightly lose some of the base model look that trifusion has.
Probably the xlmoreart-full doing most of the job too, since trifusion doesn't respond strongly to pony loras.

>>332
I now see the other leg by the way, kek.

>>332
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>I now see the other leg by the way, kek.
NTA but the leg does seem a bit too long.

>>332
thanks ill look into those
wouldn't be surprised if ponymagine has better anatomy

>>333
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yeah there's more fuckups than that lol, doing this while sleep deprived isn't the best idea
the leg was more obscured/submerged pre upscale and i didnt pay attention to it getting more visible afterwards but yea the thighs specifically are uneven in length

4chan range blocked my mobile IPs for reporting the hdg spammer. 
This is pretty much as blatant as they can get with hostility towards AI.
Unironically starting thinking about spamming that shithole myself now, but I don't even know what VPNs work there. I got some lucky Amnezia addresses that work, but that's it, not enough. They really started getting serious about banning VPNs last year, not so long ago even mainstream shit like mullvad and nord worked alright.

>>337
Surely they won't ban us right away if we start doing things slowly, i.e. 1-2 groid images per 3 hours on each /h/ thread?

>>338
The important part is being annoying and seemingly unavoidable.

Man, I'm actually seething from this range ban. 
>>338
>1-2 groid images per 3 hours on each /h/ thread?
That's fucking nothing. It should be disruptive and obviously malicious. 
>>339
This.

>>337
I tried warning you guys months ago. Moderation is very anti-ai, this is why they ban everything you like and keep everything you hate. /e/ has been hit by a blatant spambot for a while now with nothing done about it, those who report it get banned. There really is no solution except a massive shakeup in moderation or moving to altchans like here. I fully support shitting up that entire site though just to make life hell for the faggot janitors that turned it to shit.

We need a way to get the groid images ig. Should we use his own images?
>>340
>That's fucking nothing
Most threads on /h/ are fucking slow, even with at this rate I bet some threads will fill up with shit pretty quickly. Given the amount of threads, I think posting in each one wouldn't be feasible without a bot.
>and obviously malicious.
The question is, should the pics blatantly violate board rules or should we try to hide our malicious intent from trannitors to live a little longer

>>342
if you want to be subtle just go to civit and find the sloppiest slop you can, and post it in vaguely relevant threads. I don't think this will do anything to save hdg but it will at least make them seethe a bit I guess

>>343
The civit idea is funny ngl but just as you said this won't really help /hdg/ since everyone just gonna assume that all we want is to shit everything up with AI slop, given our civitretardbros aren't in a particularly good standing.

>>341
Starting to think the groid spammer is the jannie.

>>341
Again, like the groid spammer, the jannies are working in collusion with each other. The only winning move is to silently advertise altchans.

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>>342
>The question is, should the pics blatantly violate board rules or should we try to hide our malicious intent from trannitors to live a little longer
Nope, they should be according to board rules, but annoying at the same time. Pretty much like groidspam: technically doesn't violate the rules but makes everyone mad.

But now that I'm no longer mad, I just don't really feel like doing this. Guys posting at koikatsu general didn't deserve to get spammed like, and nigger jannies won't give a fuck anyway. Pretty much all the other threads are semi-dead, including the nigger generals.

>>345
>Starting to think the groid spammer is the jannie.
Maybe, maybe not, but I think this post was made by an actual janny as it perfectly explains their attitude towards moderating the AI threads. Could be a LARP of course.
It's weird because it wasn't always like this. Moderation used to be almost reasonable. Spammers were dealt with, and only actual cunny removed, apart from some rare exceptions.

>>346
>Pretty much like groidspam: technically doesn't violate the rules but makes everyone mad.
That's why I suggested to just repost his images. Not only this will make everyone mad, it will make everyone mad mostly over the same thing. If nigger janny will start removing groid shit, that would be a win regardless.
>But now that I'm no longer mad, I just don't really feel like doing this.
He keeps posting and nothing happens for this exact reason.
>Guys posting at koikatsu general didn't deserve to get spammed
They didn't but neither did we. Are they more equal than us or what? If we make that whole shithole unusable, who will be held responsible for that first and foremost?

>>347
cute seiba

>>346
I don't browse the thread for sanity reasons but you're free to provide additional context such as this.
>>348
Jannies are that scared of lurkers making hentai that's as good as the real thing if not better. I've seen this behaviour in the furry community - where to elevate their power over others they start controlling who is allowed to create content and generally try to infiltrate creator circles. It's also happening in Furry Diffusion where saturation of good models has already reached a high point and mods are trying to endorse their own censored model that has no benefit.

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>>346
>but I think this post was made by an actual janny 
i shitpost occasionally using aco slops from civit to shit on notorious faggots (but most of it isn't my as i don't really want to disrupt the thread)
only one picture got ever deleted and never got any warns for that, but got multiple for ironic textposts about anime being against the rules or mention of selective enforcement of rules 
it's very clear that they support sabotaging of the thread but delete any mention of it

>>348
Spamming regular threads would be petty and  useless, now that I think of it. 
I think wiping the board entirely with guro or something else, while making it clear WHY is it happening would be a more interesting option. Probably won't help hdg, (don't think anything will now), but would be an actual fuck you to the moderators. Thing is, is anyone actually willing to do it?

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>even contemplating trying to """raid""" other threads for some form of retarded retribution
you are literally the biggest fagets on the planet and should kill yourselves.

that said, what even the actual fuck lmao so is this retarded janny
they even went and hit the [delete everything from user] button on me for whatever retarded reason.

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>>354
oh whoops I forgot to even include the catbox to the ban message. sasuga, me.
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also I should note I was pretty much 80% sure I was going to get hit for the oekaki on the second post and didn't really care with the current state of the thread. But getting hit for miku of all fucking things was not on my bingo card.
So now I've been hit for miku, asuka, pubes, legitimate C cups and I'm not actually sure what else anymore. And not once could any of it actually be considered toddlercon.
Maybe I should start posting pitslut so I can collect an even more retarded ban.

>>354
>you are literally the biggest fagets on the planet and should kill yourselves.
Nobody's done anything and so far it's more like anons are just venting here. 
But if you start looking at it from a perspective that the "retarded" moderation is actually not retarded, but deliberately malicious, raiding the board stops feeling like an entirely unreasonable idea.

>>357
That Miku looks the youngest of the batch to me too.
Delete everything is one dumb fucking thing if somebody is actually contributing to the thread. And of course the flood of 100 almost identical images escapes this magic button.
Nowadays I switch ip's a couple times a day if I post there, so that whenever some retard hits that button they can't delete shit. Because fuck them.

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also it appears they nuked all my shit in the two other prior threads, though it seemed to only just recently-ish happen? Pretty weird.

>>358
at that point it'd just be time to completely abandon it. And realistically that's the end outcome anyway since if you're not in a third world country on a mobile network that hasn't been range-banned yet or that somehow still uses dynamic IP's you're just going to get hit with an indefinite ban, anyway. And if you don't it'd because whatever you were doing is so inconsequential and frivolous it's not going to be a blip to anyone in "charge" anyway. So all you'll accomplish is becoming a schizophrenic autist that wastes their time trying to make things worse for other people for no real perceptible reason.

Also I really, really highly doubt any of this has to do with AI shit in specific. This is almost definitely more of a board administration structuring issue than anything else. I doubt there are many(if any) dedicated /h/ janitors/moderators. It's just not a high traffic board. So pretty much everything will end up in a global mod queue and gets reviewed randomly by faget mod A, faget mod B, faget mod C, etc.
So rather than some cabal-driven agenda against AI art it's more likely that there's just a small group with a stick up their ass for whatever reason, probably annoyed that there's a thread with /vg/ grade activity and schizophrenia on a podunk board like /h/(which isn't exactly the most "friendly" board to review in the first place).
>>359
Miku isn't exactly known for being the most developed girl. She's still ubiquitous enough though that if she doesn't look like an outright toddler it's pretty hard to catch a ban for her though.
And the "delete all" nuclear option is still fucking bizarre to me. It doesn't communicate anything to anyone and makes it seem more like it's petty bullshit than anything else.

>>360
>leave the unconcealed and disruptive spam untouched
>rangeban for reporting it
>leave the civitai acoslop shitposts untouched
>ban for a slight hint of a flatty/moe
>but only in ai threads
>this applies to both /e/ and /h/
yeah it could be not anti-ai but just general retardation that barely makes it better. literally everything they do makes threads worse. no moderation would be better. adequate moderation would be better.
and it's true, I don't really have resources and motivation to spam the place, pretty much all proxies and vpns I know of and cared to purchase are banned nowadays. 
but if someone like birdfag who's apparently got dozens of working proxies would wipe that whole shithole out I really, really wouldn't get sad over that happening

this is for backgroundfags still using pony

certain innate artists will completely destroy the background
for example (mjm, bedi:1.1) at the start of the prompt
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same image without any artists in the prompt:
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and then some innate artists will be a huge improvement
this is (kawakami rokkaku, fkey:1.1) at the start of the prompt
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this is all using a landscape artist lora
seems like obvious information but i didn't expect the difference to be so extreme

>>361
higher traffic/schizophrenic thread=more visibility/reports 
a decentralized moderation approach to that means extremely uneven moderation
I'm absolutely not saying it's better, it's still really bad. I'm just saying that it's not the best idea to attribute to (pointed) malice what can be attributed instead to stupidity/ignorance/malicious compliance/apathy.
even in my case where it certainly *feels* like someone has a raging hateboner for me, specifically, could very easily be a case of getting caught in weird mass reports and there being an actual log of bans, someone reviewing it going "hrm this IP address has had a lot of bans on it in the past for lolicon, so this report must be true" and just handwaving the ban without really reviewing because the report was from /h/ and they don't want to actually look at porn but they're still forced to see the report ticket in queue.
(though interactions on /e/ do support that there's a janny that has something personal for me for whatever reason but that's not the point)
>but if someone like birdfag who's apparently got dozens of working proxies would wipe that whole shithole out I really, really wouldn't get sad over that happening
I mean, I wouldn't lament it so long as it was fair, equal and not centralized to hdg. Would still be pretty annoying though since it'd be an involuntary vacation just like a random retarded ban.

>>360
>This is almost definitely more of a board administration structuring issue than anything else. I doubt there are many(if any) dedicated /h/ janitors/moderators.
Why don't they open applications then? There are absolutely zero reasons not to open janitor applications. Maybe they are not doing that cause the board admin or mod or whatever is an unironical anti-ai artfag, but what other explanations are there outside of them simply not giving a slightest fuck? It really sounds like it's some /ic/ trannitor trying to powertrip there. What's the length of your ban, anyway? I think I've never seen anyone getting an extended vacation beyond 3 days.
>And realistically
You should be buying proxies in bulk from a bit shadier places, then guroposting in a way that won't let them know you're somehow different from a regular poster with a fresh browser.
>dynamic IP
Even if you have one, they still have an option to rangeban you. Sometimes your ISP may issue you a different subnet though. They also can easily track you via cookies and cloudflare.
If we become annoying enough while simultaneously being semi-invincible to the regular moderation tools, it would be plenty enough to be noticed by some higher up admin.

This likely won't be required if we limit ourselves with reposting groids to other threads and maybe /ic/, but that would be quite a bit more risky.

>So all you'll accomplish is becoming a schizophrenic autist that wastes their time trying to make things worse for other people for no real perceptible reason.
That's only the case if no one will actually do anything except you which is unlikely at this point. Anons only need the means.

Remember, anons moving out from /hdg/ is the main goal of the groidspammer. If we don't do anything now, which is not much at all, /hdg/ will without a doubt meet it's imminent demise for such a fucking stupid reason. We'll never know the outcome until we try either and giving up from the get go is such a fucking stupid move. So far the only thing we apparently tried is the moderation feedback form and regular reports, but there are also admin emails.
>>361
>but only in ai threads
>yeah it could be not anti-ai
Huh? What did I miss there?

>>364
>Huh? What did I miss there?
that it could be someone mass-reporting pics in ai threads, but not doing so anywhere else

>>365
That makes sense, but there's just no way they don't know there is a problem given the fact that there are mass reports and moderation feedback being filled with complaints.
>>363
If someone higher up is aware yet still deliberately chooses to stay ignorant while leaving groidspam untouched despite the reports, this isn't much different from being malicious.

>>366
bold of you to assume moderation feedback goes anywhere other than directly into the trash.
Also I doubt the moderation staff are a monolith. It's possible this is all caused by a single complicit mod and a janny cohort(by reviewing and dismissing valid reports). It's also possible they're permanently understaffed and can't gather enough fucks to care(and aren't actually really fully "aware" of what's going on). And who can blame them, they're doing it for free, after all.

The easiest way to try and get anything done about it would be to go directly to IRC to try and bitch to someone personally.
I refuse to do it but it seems like that would be the easiest and most direct way of making sure someone has even a vague idea of what's going on. After that it can be guessed at/decided how much of this is malice or not.

>>367
>go directly to IRC to try and bitch to someone personally
I don't think they communicate over anything other than discord nowadays.

>>360
>also it appears they nuked all my shit in the two other prior threads, though it seemed to only just recently-ish happen? Pretty weird.
And later still, all my posts in thread 602 also got nuked right before it got archived? And I'm pretty sure it had to have happened, sequentially, much later just because the other threads had the image cap backfilled by someone spamming 1.5 gens.
This shit is fucking bizarre and really does make it feel like some weird, one-sided petty obsession. Also feels weird since I hadn't been hit with a ban from /h/ for a pretty good minute and even the global ban I got was a month ago so it came out of fucking nowhere.
>>368
I mean, they still link to #[email protected] on the actual site and it's still listed at the bottom of the boardlist if you still use frames. I'd expect it to at least have someone still there - and being that it's IRC it's also probably less likely to be some vindictive ass zoomer grade retard.

>>369
>weird, one-sided petty obsession
what other explanation is there for your posts getting deleted off /e/ for being too western and that asuka ban on top of everything that's happening in /h/?
you seem to be consistent in your writing style, and your images are easily recognizable. this is just a passive observation from someone who doesn't care about imageboard personalities or drama. if i notice this, then others likely do too, and you must have pissed someone off since you often come across as a raging sperg, though that doesn’t justify any of this
there's a possibility that someone is taking advantage of the fact that you're one of the more active regulars, making you easy to identify, and is mass reporting every single one of your images across multiple threads. however, i don't remember this happening to others in the same way, so this doesn't seem plausible

>>370
a mod/janny having some weird personal obsession over me is one thing but I'd consider the thread state as another. They might be temporally related but more in the "a single mod is fucking around and intentionally clearing reports to prevent anything being done" kind of way than some cabal conspiracy of making the thread shit to make it shit as a site-wide policy.
And I feel like whoever it is that's obsessed with me is some weird discord group that tries to use the thread as their personal shitting grounds/lolcow farm and they probably have a janny who commiserates or something. I think a lot of this started happening after I made a tinfoil post mentioning an observation that there absolutely seemed to be some weird organized group that would intentionally give incorrect/bad advice to absolutely everything that they could. Everything from trying to hand out really shitty settings for just about everything to just outright shitpost tier misinformation like the retarded refiner shit. And I guess pointing that out painted a target on me, or something.
Also now archiveofsins stuff is getting taken down for whatever reason, which further screams third party schizophrenia since it probably involved emailing fake copyright notices.

>>371
>weird discord group
would they really contain themselves to a single general? you could go around other AI generals and ask if they had similar experiences i suppose
>shitpost tier misinformation
i remember thinly veiled attempts at trolling that came across as, 'this person has clearly never touched any kind of ai technology in their life,' yet they seemingly did their best to sound genuine and passionate. all of this could just be shitposters copying each other's behavior, who knows
>painted a target on me
i can think of another thing that painted a target on you. you've complained about bullshit bans quite often, so it could be that this gave someone the idea to fuck with you by occasionally reporting most of your posts. if the ban log you mentioned is real, that would add up. again, not blaming you. it just makes sense since your posts are easily recognizable
>third party schizophrenia since it probably involved emailing fake copyright notices.
/h/ threads were inexplicably nuked in the past, in the same manner i remember an /e/ general got nuked and the OP said it was some sort of bullshit copyright claim, seems like no one ever checks the validity of those things

i've remembered an instance of janny deleting blacked spam, can you believe that?
https://archived.moe/h/thread/7814145/#8055808
for some reason half of the blacked posts were untouched but half of them were deleted, alongside the racist posts, naturally. guess the report for off topic works if there's enough people reporting? i don't know how that would apply to hdg since technically they're not offtopic, but jannies don't seem to care either way so someone's unlimited ip works might be better utilized for mass reporting the spammer rather than decimating the entire board with gore. either way this tells me that moderation might be more incompetent than malicious, but unless someone talks to them we'll never know

anyway current spammer might be the same person that spammed /edg/ since they both have the pass

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>would they really contain themselves to a single general?
Who said they did? It existed before it but it kicked into overdrive after naiv3 released and AIDS leaked over.
The sort of threadshitting we see on hdg isn't really uncommon in /vg/ for the slower generals. There's a very real chance the activity cranked up just because they got backlinked over and saw the opportunity when console war bullshit was kicking in.
>you've complained about bullshit bans quite often
I've only complained about bullshit bans more "recently" but I started catching weird bans for a while. Actually looking through screencaps it seemed to have started in... December. You know, a month after naiv3 hit.
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and then followed through in january
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one of the really weird ones was involving this conversation with someone who was obviously a janny trying to rile shit on /e/ https://files.catbox.moe/ey21t4.png
(note which side of the conversation got a free pass to being "off-topic")
and if I really want to put on a tinfoil hat, it feels like my situation very specifically involves a janny doing a lot of weird shit. I say janny because I feel like they're having to poke a mod to carry through on some of these actions and don't want to go overboard and do it too often to cause suspicion.
two other random bans
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Also I don't think I'm entirely "unique" in getting singled out by whatever this group? random ass schizo? or whatever. If you notice there's been a lot of shitposting targeting the one guy that posts hyper vanilla with  tianlingdingdongwinwang in their mix just because they're fairly recognizable. There was also the shitposting against the luckystarfag, who, really, didn't do himself any favors with their posting style - but still didn't really *do* anything to warrant it. I've just ended up getting hit fairly hard because I prefer girls to be fun-sized and that's easier to write off as "look it's underaged!"

>seems like no one ever checks the validity of those things
Generally speaking they mostly don't. I'm guessing the aos thread was hit because it had miku as the OP and that's an easy enough IP to write a false takedown for.
>i've remembered an instance of janny deleting blacked spam, can you believe that?
iirc there were maybe 3? or so threads that actually had shit pruned from it. The thing is, I don't think it happened until someone went to IRC to bitch about it.
because while this shit is obvious to anyone with a functioning pair of eyes it's also really easy to write off out of context piecemeal as "why the fuck are you reporting this it doesn't break any rules."
>either way this tells me that moderation might be more incompetent than malicious
I think it's a mix of incompetence/apathy and a bad actor or two working to keep it that way.
Realistically if moderation, as a whole, really wanted AI art gone they'd just ban it site-wide or banish it purely to trash. They'd implement a new report category and be done with it and they wouldn't have to care. And there wouldn't really be much anyone could do about it, since a large part of hdg's posting doesn't actually have a real "home" without the thread, anyway, since a lot of it is nondescript animu girl with erratic and inconsistent subject matter. And the vast majority of it sticks out like a sore fucking thumb.

>>373
>Who said they did? It existed before it but it kicked into overdrive after naiv3 released and AIDS leaked over.
I always felt like that general started going downhill poster-quality wise somewhere around NAI release. Not because I hate NAI, but because it seemingly attracted shitposter mouth breathers from /vg/ that brought a lot of flamewar and bait patterns along with them.
>who, really, didn't do himself any favors with their posting style
Let's be honest, you didn't either. 
I feel like it's some schizofaggot who enters some sort of love-hate relationship with recognizable posters and interacts with them that way. I doubt it's discordfag group messing with recognizable anons

>>374
>Let's be honest, you didn't either. 
In my defense, while I'm generally abrasive I am nothing if not sincere and will usually go out of my way to fully explain things and provide any lora's/whatever involved if I need to.
>I feel like it's some schizofaggot who enters some sort of love-hate relationship with recognizable posters and interacts with them that way. I doubt it's discordfag group messing with recognizable anons
Being a single person doesn't really make sense. While I haven't been involved in them personally I know someone who's followed a lot of lolcow farm type groups in the past and this sort of shit really matches their behaviors. 
And that *certain* things seem to get hit with mass reports and you'll occasionally have clusters of 2-4 posts saying, effectively, the same thing but "different" implies it's someone actively backlinking it in a group.
I mean, it could be a single deranged autist that really streamlined their workflow on doing this shit but it feels like it makes more sense to be an organized group. And if you're familiar with chink "anti" groups this is also the type of behavior they engage in extremely heavily.

as an aside, man, it really doesn't feel that bad to be on a forced vacation from /h/ right now, anyway. Shitpost BLACKED thread is still up, there's a second LDG shitpost thread and there's one "real" thread that's being ignored.
It's a fucking shitshow.

>Realistically if moderation, as a whole, really wanted AI art gone they'd just ban it site-wide or banish it purely to trash. They'd implement a new report category and be done with it and they wouldn't have to care. And there wouldn't really be much anyone could do about it, since a large part of hdg's posting doesn't actually have a real "home" without the thread, anyway, since a lot of it is nondescript animu girl with erratic and inconsistent subject matter. And the vast majority of it sticks out like a sore fucking thumb.
Well you have one here, so get to posting boys.

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>Well you have one here, so get to posting boys.
断る。

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>>378
Are you sure about that

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>>378
>so he says as he does it anyway

>>380
Spoilers, I did nothing.

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look, I just happened to have been working on something that fit the tone of the refusal. it can't be helped.
バーバカ。

unrelated but maybe trying to build out a synthetic dataset to flesh out this style might be a bit of a mistake. I mean, it's really easy to mask stuff that's redrawn into it since it's a really flat digital sketch style but it's also giving me a lot of the standard AI schizophrenic line shit and that's a royal bitch to pay attention to to correct and I feel like it's going to end up just creating a real bad feedback loop in training.

>>382
Keep it my guy, if not refine it a bit to keep it under control, but don't lose what makes it unique.

>>382
My tsun-sensor went off before i even got to the moonrunes
>synthetic dataset
that makes me wonder, has any artist started offering dataset comms? although the overlap between those who train loras and those who pay for art is likely minimal, if not nonexistent

>>383
It'll get done regardless it's just a pain having to really look for weird shit to try and prevent it from creating the feedback loop I don't want.
>>384
I remember there being some guy on hdg fucking ages ago talking about doing commissions for a character so they could do a lora off of them but don't really remember too much of what happened with them.
and honestly I don't even know what a real "ideal dataset" an artist could try to offer would be. Most the time just them having a fantia/fanbox/whatever is enough to build a proper dataset from and you don't really need *that* many images to do something semi-effective(the digital sketch style I've been doing was trained on only 6(!) images, 4 of which had to be upscaled, even).
tbh if an artist really wanted to get into the dataset game they'd be better off trying to sell access to the lora's themselves. At least then they can claim some sort of moral ground of "don't train on my shit just pay me for my work, instead."

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>>373
>If you notice there's been a lot of shitposting targeting the one guy that posts hyper vanilla with  tianlingdingdongwinwang in their mix just because they're fairly recognizable

Ngl having your own schizo it's really fun, I do think he is mad at me because I interact with the /vtai/ baker but that's been the case since many months, I must clarify that we are not friends or anything, he just happen to like some things I also like, one of them being vtuber sluts so there's that but yeah, things are dogshit right now on /hdg/ and /edg/, I keep posting out of habit but we clearly got new shitposters/schizos actively shitting both threads

H-hello?

>>387
Hewwo UwU

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>we are now at 5 threads
as expected of shitposters, I suppose.
here I was hoping a mod would have noticed this shit already before my ban was up but I see I had set my expectations a bit too high.